3 comments on “Men without hats are living on the edge

    • A summary? ok… let me try :)

      01) Many of the people who are called “hackers” are extremely skilled people who practiced only one aspect of their brain, and yet do not show the same flexibility in other fields. This created a distorted view of reality (AKA perception). A real hacker is someone that will challenge everything, including himself. Leonardo De-Vinci was a true master hacker. a real hacker constantly challenge his perception of the world and himself. Hacking perception is the secret to greatness because it allows true thinking outside the box.
      02) Hackers that work within a system to secure it are more likely to experience clashes with “the system” they operate in because they “disturb” the repeated process(es) the system is build upon.
      03) Most hackers are not skilled enough to be in the state of spinning, and the result is they either “give in” to the system or leave. To be good in spinning you need to be balanced, and for that you need to be able to challenge everything, as when you spin your perception is being distorted. Most people don’t even come close to it (a lot of the time due to various neurological and physiological reasons). This is one of the reasons security fails, as people learn not to challenge everything in a critical thinking manner.
      04) ISO 26000 is probably the most important ISO standard that came in the last few years, and for sure it is going to be the most important in the upcoming years. Yes – also to us in information security.
      05) Ethics: Ethics are based on the system you operate in.
      06) “Ethical hacking” until now only talk about one aspect of ethics – the organization which is being “hacked”.
      07) “Ethical hacking” should be discussed in the wider sense of the word, from a social responsibility standpoint which takes into account all the stakeholders of “a system” and it’s interaction with other systems.
      08) I believe hackers should be defined based on their social responsibility, not based on criteria defined by systems who only view it via the shareholders perspective and not the stakeholders perspective (and by systems I mean the full range – from corporations to governments). If a corporation, an NGO or a government is acting in a way which are anything but social responsible, I believe it looses the ethical standpoint to define what is right and what is wrong.
      09) Since our ethics and our perception is a result of our environment, I see ISO 26000 as the great opportunity for hackers to expand their very targeted mind and perception. Humanity have agreed that social responsibility is the only way forward, it’s a wonderful opportunity for hackers to tap into that movement, get involved and put their skills into that direction. Hacking can and should be a force of good, by making this world a better place.
      10) last, but not least – I highly recommend reading Sir Richard Bransons’ new book “
      Screw Business As Usual
      “. The faster organizations and people will understand that the current view of doing things must change, the more likely it would be for humanity to reach a better future (rather then a very unhappy end).

      That was a Long summary, I know :)
      PS
      Thanks for asking :)

  1. Adding a comment I received via linkedin, and my reply

    George Abney • Integrity cannot be administered by a policy. It can only come from a sense of personal honor. Hacking is the conduct of a thief. There is no honor among thieves; even thieves who carry a badge. Hackers who work for police agencies are cops by convenience. They are criminals in essence yet to be documented. Universalize you conscience all you want… When conscience is little more than a vain fiction why are you sensitive about the concern of others that you have a wicked heart and cannot be trusted? Its conceit at the core of any effort to secure public perception against the reflex of a pirate. You WANT to be the kind of criminal who is envied. So, why pretend otherwise? RUN while you’re young enough to have fun running because the day will come when you will slow down and stop. THAT is when they will catch you and cut out your black heart and feed it to you.

    Uri Biber •
    Hi George
    I find your comment very interesting, mainly because you have a vision of the world in which hackers as a bunch of heartless, ethic-less, wicked heart, black heart criminals that can never be trusted. Seriously man? Is Steve Wozniak a heartless, ethicless criminal? You do know Steve is a very proud hacker, and so does many people I am familiar who have very ethical view of the world. law does no define what is ethical or not, because if that was true every dictatorship regime would have been ethical. About ethics and law – please see Chris MacDonald comment about the subject.
    Cheers
    Uri the hacker (lol)


    George Abney • Hey, man… I’m cool. The hacky-sac can only spin when its pitched, right? Life is filled with many excellent examples of science that would not exist without a black beginning. Web design arose most swiftly in the sticky hands of porn merchants. Burn and drown data most useful today first presented in Nazi camps under the crazed research of wacko docs. As to the ethics of ICON Woz…i must bow out. The cutting edge of any security environment is first challenged by those who dare. Evolution then happens. So, hackers provide a function necessary to innovation… Would you agree?

    Uri Biber •
    George, do you really see anything which is “outside the box” as black, and everything inside the box as white?
    I’ve mentioned in my blog, the reason why organizations are “so anal” is because they are process oriented, and managers inside of it always view anything which “unbalance” the process as negative. That is a very linear thinking, but it’s not really effective in chaotic systems (which we all live within even though many prefer not to admit it).

    The porn industry indeed was very fast in accepting web technological initiatives because it was never had the constrains big corporations had, but for example when it came to HD standards it took them a lot of time until they chosen the HD DVD standard (obviously bad choice lol).

    Brining the Nazi scientists in concentration camps is an example of immoral people, in their case they didn’t passed the law because for the Nazi Jewish prisoners were not considered as having human rights rights at all. Maybe a better example is the US:

    A commission investigating U.S. medical testing on unsuspecting Guatemalan subjects in the 1940s has reported that more than 1,300 people were intentionally infected with venereal diseases, and an estimated 83 died as treatment was withheld. The commission was established by President Obama after Susan Reverby, a professor at Wellesley College, discovered archival documents exposing the project in 2010.

    The last two examples were of people who were doing immoral experiments. However, I think that in the IT world you do not need to be immoral in order to experiment. hacking into a system and discovering it’s weaknesses might be illegal, but if you don’t do anything with that information other than alert the organization and later on the media why would you be immoral?

    So yes, I totally agree hackers are required for innovation, but what I wanted to say in my blog is that the “line” between illegal and legal should be defined by the level of social responsibility of all stakeholders – organizations, workers, customers, suppliers…and hackers :)


    George Abney • No…the black and white is all a shade of gray, but the problem for many is they get drawn into that gray and become confused about what they are doing with what they learn. It is the duty of all men of honor to present examples of good citizenship…
    While is fair to do good job of probe the wall of jail/bank as contractor of security organization…is not so good to be magician to prove can do trick. Is like picking pocket and then returning wallet to enraged stranger, yes? What courtesy in this? Some disrespetful person may first take a dollar for good trick before leaving wallet on cafe table for waiter to find, eh? It becomes can of worms and for what…to prove can do trick? Complication… so should be done in way that is clearly good. I think this is what you mean… It is no easy skill to test parameters without drawing lightening strike to basic friendly gesture of good will? I should not have mentioned the Znasties but only as example of strong emotions and for good reason … can good come from bad?

    My vision? It is like that of any old man… I need the glasses and i try not to make same mistake twice or a thousand times too many.

    Yes… I agree with you Uri, these are difficult issues and this is illustrated by the fact they are not easy to talk about without becoming very emotional because they draw strong reaction and seem to polarize opinion so easily. I am not very clear on the important areas of probable dispute since I am almost an illiterate about all things code. I am not a hacker, nor do I know any hackers… yet the issue of privacy are important to me as much as the freedoms of speech. I am sure there are many viewpoints I can learn from… I have no doubt that your blog provides education value for those drawn to the lines of public discourse and I can see it must draw the interests of new students and old. Because I am ignorant of the fine points of this skill I cannot contribute more than as I have. So, i wish you all the best in the hard thing of education for good cause… I help get the ball rolling, maybe? Good luck and may no one who reads here have cause to ‘fall off the edge’! I too walked the cliff when I was young and full of fun.

    Uri Biber • Thank you George, your contribution was impeccable, and I really enjoyed our conversation. Happy, white holidays and may 2012 bring light into your life.
    Best regards
    Uri

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